Can this be right?

[MMBBfan327]

I was looking at this and I have never seen anything like it:

www.brauvin.com/Property25Setup.htm (http://www.brauvin.com/Property25Setup.htm)

[jasperthehound]

It's for sale and someone can buy it and do whatever they want to it. That's why it's for sale. But I think it's Studio C and that won't matter as much.

[pizzacam]

Yeah they're selling or leasing the one in Springfield, Ohio too! ;) ...COME ON LOTTO!! (fingers crossed) :lol
www.brauvin.com/Property39Setup.htm (http://www.brauvin.com/Property39Setup.htm)

[ryhoyarbie]

I'd repaint the outside and inside of the building, throw out the current show, put the Rock-afire Explosion in there and change the name from Chuck E Cheese to Showbiz Pizza!

After I go through all the paper work, of course!:D

[dheineCECfan]

Both CEC locations seen in the links opened in 1983 but maybe under the ShowBiz Pizza Place name and format.

[ChuckEZone]

I'd repaint the outside and inside of the building, throw out the current show, put the Rock-afire Explosion in there and change the name from Chuck E Cheese to Showbiz Pizza!

After I go through all the paper work, of course!



Might as well pick up those bankruptcy papers while you're at it... it'll save you a trip. :lol

[pizzacam]

:lol I too would change it back to an exact copy of a Showbiz but it wouldn't be in business it woulsd just be for the fans to come see like a museum..

[RockafireGuy]

Might as well pick up those bankruptcy papers while you're at it... it'll save you a trip.


Well, considering the RAE beat the CECPTT concept in the 80's I wouldn't be so quick to make jokes... kids are more mature than you give them credit for. Kids pay no attention to the CEC show unless they're about 3 to 5-years-old... maybe 6 or 7. 8 and up??? Well, all they care about is the games.... I know this because I've seen it myself. And I've gotten the opinion of my 11-year-old cousin who really isn't that hip on the show. I told her about the Rock-afire after she commented on the MMBB (she didn't even know the name of the show). She said she really didn't pay that much attention to it and it wasn't that great anyway. A rare few after age 10 still pay attention to the show and the adults pay no mind to it at all. The Rock-afire used to get all kinds of attention. You may joke, but if Aaron Fechter sold his characters to somebody like Disney and they opened up a Showbiz.... you could kiss CEC goodbye. I don't mean to be putting up comments like this.. it's just the way I feel. You can lock this thread if you want. I'm just stating an opinion though.......

[RockafireGuy]

Okay; I appologize for getting rude. It seems like the Showbiz and Rock-afire fans have all taken off and left here. I know what you're going to say
go to the other message board! The fact is... we're out numbered and nobody pays attention to the other message board to begin with. All of the RAE fans have left. Maybe that's because we're all older than you are and have lives. I'm not on much myself. I appologize ...again.... anyway, I feel like a fish out of water on the CEC board... MMBB is okay.... but it's no Rock-afire. If you ask me Concept Unification was a big "screw you" to all of the hard working employees at Creative that hand made the masks, the costumes, the scenery, etc. and welded and put together those robots piece by piece. If iut weren't for Creative and the Rock-afire, you wouldn't even have Munch's Make Believe Band. We all know who's fault C.U. is and at least "you know who" admits it's his fault. anyway... I appologize... I'm done throwing my little fit and you won't hear any more fits out of me.

[pizzacam]

Well then in the end CEC won, so I think he's right plus if whoever started this up again had to rely on Aaron to get the RAE shows and cosmetics well you're screwed. We've all seeing his "perfect working shows". Plus alot of people have dealt with him before and they've all unanimously said he's too wishy washy on setting prices etc... If this were to work somebody else would have to purchase the rights to the RAE first. That would kick ass though if they came back in a new restaurant!

[RockafireGuy]

Well then in the end CEC won


Well; yes, but the only reason CEC won is that CEC corporate coulnd't get the rights to the Rock-afire or at least have better negotiations with Aaron. He wouldn't cooperate.
If Showbiz Pizza Time Inc. ( as it was called back then) had owned the Rock-afire... we would still have them today and the CEC characters would be a thing of the past. In fact, people at CEC corporate like the Rock-afire and wish they could have kept it. The only reason the CEC concept won was it was the only choice corporate had and they were taking a big gamble. It came out alright though. That's because it's the only restaurant of it's type around.... no stiff competition. There is no other major corperation with a concept like it out there. CEC is the top Dog in it's field with no competition. That's the reason it still does so well to this day.

[pizzacam]

Yeah, but if CEC had the Rock afire today...sheesh it would be all kiddie or they'd have the new RAE which sucks ass. I mean it'd probably be like CEC today every song about eat pizza, drink soda, play games i.e. go spend money and make us rich. Not to mention the dialouge of the RAE they definatly would change all the words and make it all gay. It would just suck to walk in and see a great thing (RAE) ruined and tailored for kids. But it's just my opinion as well as a few others i've talked to about this issue. :\

[RockafireGuy]

You're right. CEC kiddies down everything they touch. Every song is about eating pizza and things like that. To tell you the truth of the matter... Seseme Street has better entertainment. Look at all the muppet rock bands we've seen in the past..LOL! Anyway... if you've heard the Pasqually and Munch sound samples from 2001 on Veganova's pizza time players page; you've pretty much heard the same type of thing you're going to hear now. They would have corny jokes that kids don't even get, dialogue about nothing but food, and songs about nothing but eating food, drinking soda, etc. CEC has lost sight of their origins and they've lost sight of what their original purpose was. It's like what happens to all great companies as they're passed from generation to generation. The founders of the company care a lot about the business and how it's run. They teach their skills to the next generation. The next generation doesn't care about it as much as the first. Then; they teach the third generation who doesn't care as much as the second. By the time you go through a few generations of leaders, the company has gone down in quality and has gotten away from it's original purpose. Eventually; it gets to be about money with fourth and fifth generation leaders and they don't have the same care for the company that previous leaders had. That's how some companies deteriorate. CEC has this particular problem. They have a generation of leaders who are only concerned about money and could care less about quality. That's what's happened to the shows at CEC. I believe they're eventually going to phase animatronic shows completely out of the picture. It's starting to look that way. They care less and less about the shows. Shows are last priority for a tech now. Anyway, all of these things are what has happened and these things will continue to happen until one day.... no more show.... anywhere....

[ChuckEZone]

Hey RockafireGuy,

Sorry if I caused any conflicts. I started off a a SPP kid, and love that concept way more than I ever could for CEC. I just meant that those types of independant or small-chain 'RAE' restaurants haven't done very well in the past, but who knows... it could happen if executed properly. :D

[PuroMax]

Sorry to bring the corporate viewpoint to you fundamentalists, but profits and growth have gone up and up and up as the concept changes. Yes, money is the object, and the suits know how to make it. Chuck E. Cheese's is now only as magical as the cast that runs it... as the company says, "Our people are our greatest asset." Obviously you can't please everyone, but generally you show enthusiasts are not the ones with the large families coming in to celebrate and enjoy yourselves. For many, Chuck E. Cheese's is not a casual dining/entertainment experience. For some it's a once in a lifetime deal. Would you want to spend the most special of occasions parked in front of a show? Yes, when the concept started the show was cutting edge, and innovative. That is not the case anymore. Times have changed considerably, and that is noted by the Studio C Blue Screen. If the show were to become a prominant part of the concept again it would need to be more interactive and/or spectacular, for now it's really just a sideshow, an addition to the atmosphere that lets you know you are in a magical place, and it serves that purpose wonderfully. Look at how games have changed over the years... Locations used to have cabinet machines like Pac Man and Duck Hunt, but video games aren't just to play anymore, they are something to experience. The hottest games now are simulations. Dance Dance Revolution, Racing and Shooter games, big expensive, extravagant spectacles to behold. The concept thrives on the use of ticket games in order to even out payload. For 1 token each, today's hottest games would never be able to pay for themselves, ever. I've heard parents say that CEC is "Vegas for Kids", and essentially I agree. The concept will only grow stronger if they stay focused in that direction.

[ryhoyarbie]

I do agree that if the Rock-afire continued, they would have become to kiddie friendly and not how they were back in the early 80's.

Still, owning my own Chuck E Cheese Pizza place would be pretty cool though. I'd still put the Rock-afire Explosion in there though!:lol :D

[RockafireGuy]

One word for ya puromax....Disney.

Look at Disney's animatronics.... they are a main focus at Disney and Disney prides themselves on them. With that technology they have brought forth things that beat your stupid game room all to pieces.... such as the "Pirates of the Carribean" ride. I'll imagine it gets a lot more attention than your stupid game room ever did. Considering when I was at Disney the line to Pirates was terribly long. I just don't see how you make magic with a standard arcade machine that can be found in ANY arcade.... not just yours. Bye the way... your statment pretty much explains your outlook. I hate to say this puromax, but you just reaveled your opinion of all us show fans and it's a great dissapointment. Your statements pretty much explain themselves. You money hungry pirate! >: Why don't you guys just do away with the show???? It's just an added expense..... that in your opinion... you don't need. So why don't you just do away with your stupid show??? It's not worth watching anyway. Nobody watches it... get rid of it.... okay puromax?????? You and your conservative ways. How do you know you can't make magic with the show? Disney makes magic with their animatronics all of the time. Disney would go slap broke if they thought like you do and Walt Disney would have never made it anywhere if he thought the way you do Puro... of course that's why he was "WALT DISNEY" the famous person and you're just a corporate puppet. You CEC corporate people will fall from glory one day and I'll laugh and laugh at you.

[Harmony Howlette]

Don't make me turn this car around!

[MatHat13]

Woah baby.:eek

[RockafireGuy]

Getting back under control.... okay.... all calm now..LOL!

8) okay.. I'm cool... just relax Rock-afireguy.......relax...LOL!

You read what he said... the show doesn't matter.

okay.. I"m relaxed.....

8)

cya later

[PuroMax]

Oh I wholeheartedly agree, had it never been for Disney's ANIMATRONICS there never would have been any FEATURE LENGTH FILMS, CARTOON SHORTS, TELEVISION CHANNEL, CASTLE AT MAGIC KINGDOM. Disney is so famous for its robot shows that they just have full scale theme parks with rides, restaurants, and their own transportation system to get people from one show to the next. How foolish of me to think that Chuck E. Cheese could make all its money on video games when it's apparent that Disney makes it all off animatronics.
In general, you really can'r compare the sales trends of a pizza restaurant to something as diverse, unique, and established as the Disney corporation.

[RockafireGuy]

I wasn't putting the movies and TV and all of that into the equasion. Besides... I thought I ended this thing with one simple statement that I was relaxing...chilling out...

This conversation is finished. Lets please end it and go on.
No more arguments......


okay??? 8)