RAE problems/parts/supplies info [Archive]

Billy Bob Brockali

01-08-2006, 07:05 PM

Hey guys,

Quite a few fans have single characters, and a few lucky ones have entire shows. With the new organization of the forums, I would like to see some of us spend a little time sharing what technical information we have all learned about owning an actual piece of the show.

I would ask that even if the information seems trivial, that we all try to post up some useful info like "brand x cleaner works the best for cleaning RAE masks" as well as posting your own particular troubles.

While some of us may have solved a certain problem easily, that very same dilemma may be another fans major crisis at the moment. But if we all pool our info, this thread can be an addendum to the RAE manual, so that Billy Bob and the gang can stay working for another 25 years!

On that note, I will start with a solution and a question:

Solution:
I have found that plain old Armor-All seems to work really well for keeping the vinyl parts of Dook's outfit from fading and getting stiff. I have not seen any negative to it in about 2 years of using it.

Questions:
Does any know of good places to get any of the following?

Organ/Sign Replacement Bulbs
Mac Valve Parts (Solenoids/Cylinders)

Also, what is the best method for removing the cylinder from a MAC valve? I use a screwdriver, but it's certainly not easy. Maybe MAC sells a tool for this?

looneybird78

01-08-2006, 10:25 PM

As for the Bulbs... You need to find a Lighting store that is a retailer for www.westinghouselightbulbs.com/ (http://www.westinghouselightbulbs.com/)

This company still produces the bulbs.

www.westinghouselightbulb...s.php?s=41 (http://www.westinghouselightbulbs.com/bulbfinder_results.php?s=41)
S11 E-26 (STD) 04067 71/2S11/R/130/CD Red 130
S11 E-26 (STD) 04566 71/2S11/O/130 Orange 130

www.westinghouselightbulb...s.php?s=61 (http://www.westinghouselightbulbs.com/bulbfinder_results.php?s=61)
S14 E-26 (STD) 03572 11S14/TB/130/CD Transparent Blue 130
S14 E-26 (STD) 03571 11S14/TG/130/CD Transparent Green 130

Hopefully those links work.. The company I found locally had to special order them they were not kept in stock. It cost me about $2 per bulb.

captslappy

01-09-2006, 03:14 AM

There is a place near me called A&T lighting. If you can't get bulbs tell me what colors you need and I'd be happy to get some. I also have spare mac parts if you need them. The best way to open the valves to clean them is to get a 4 piece pick set. These are available at Wal-mart or you can get one from Snap-on tools.

yorkmiss

01-09-2006, 10:19 AM

I have a Tech question,
Does anyone know the number of movements each bot has? I am trying to figure out what I can run on my current controller - and need to have enough relays to run the qhile thing.

lildook

01-09-2006, 08:19 PM

This should be very helpful, heres a checklist they used at showbiz to verify each movement was in working order for each character. You can see the total count of movements for each character with this document here...

www.dsfrobots.com/temp/RAEMovementsChecklist.zip (http://www.dsfrobots.com/temp/RAEMovementsChecklist.zip)

menutia

01-09-2006, 09:58 PM

Many "Home Depot" stores carry the 7 and 11 watt "Sign bulbs". look to pay around $3 for these. There are dozens of places that sell these things. Look for a local sign shop and see if they can get them for you at a bulk rate.

~M

YoungCaliHottie

01-09-2006, 10:08 PM

thanks for the checklist!!! do u have pages 3 and 4?

lildook

01-09-2006, 10:13 PM

Yeah, sorry bout that,, I'll go add it to that same zip file right now... I didnt add them cause they had like stuff other than the characters on it.. but silly me,, I should have included... Check the zip file now it will have all 4 in it... By the way Im pretty sure i got this doc anyway from this site, in the pictures section of the old part maybe? hmm can't member...

MSOFW

01-10-2006, 02:33 AM

Quiet often we have gotten parts from McMaster-Carr. They are a large distributor of Industrial parts and supplies. www.mcmaster.com/ (http://www.mcmaster.com/)

~Mike
OFW

YoungCaliHottie

01-10-2006, 02:48 AM

thanks lil dook!

captslappy

01-10-2006, 11:11 AM

Here is the movement count for each bot:

Looneybird: 6
Props: 8 (only 6 movements used on their banks tho)
Beach Bear: 16
Fatz: 16
Dook: 17
Mitzi: 19
Billy Bob: 20
Rolfe and Earl: 22
and the organ lights used 10

yorkmiss

01-10-2006, 12:22 PM

Thanks for the list Lil Dook and Capt! I have a Rolfe that was converted to a Chuck, and I've been looking for the Earl parts... at least this way I'll know how many valves to leave open on my solenoid block.

captslappy

01-10-2006, 03:25 PM

Earl takes three movements. Also, Rolfe had his arm changed so the new right arm matches the left. Essentially when Rolfe becomes Chuck he is just like Mitzi. The correct arm is bent at a 90 degree angle and of course has the Earl head at the end.

looneybird78

01-10-2006, 11:09 PM

My strobe lights are out... Does anyone know where to get a replacement? Or a model number or something?

Thanks

lildook

01-11-2006, 11:26 AM

I'd be interested in hearing this one too. My trashed organ that I got didnt even have a strobe fixture in it, so what I did was go to local walmart and buy one of the party strobe lights that you plug into the wall. For the time being I sat it in there and wired it up.

yorkmiss

01-11-2006, 02:59 PM

Can you tell me how much of his are was replaced when Rolfe was converted? I have one that was changed, but his left arm and right are different from eachother... so I'm wondering if this was a "hack" modification.
The stub where his hand (Earl) was has some holes in it - any chance they just took off the Earl part?
Does anyone out there have a close up of Earl naked?
Thanks Ya All!

Beth

lildook

01-11-2006, 03:33 PM

Tell me your email and I can send you some, I have a couple close up's of earls arm that were sent to me as well.

RodHouTx

01-11-2006, 04:22 PM

The strobe light is Philips Strobe Bulb XOP-7-OF 650W.

pizzacam

01-11-2006, 04:32 PM

Man, where can you get the floodlight fixtures with the wall plug? They dont have them at Lowe's or Home Depot...Do I have to email Aaron?

RodHouTx

01-11-2006, 04:35 PM

Most simple parts can be obtained at Home Depot (o-rings for mac valves, Color Flood Lights, sign/organ lights, springs (Beach Bear)). Bushings and bearings are available at some hardware stores or a place like Grainger.

Original cylinders (brass) and rebuild kits can be obtained from Cylinders and Valves
www.cylval.com. (http://www.cylval.com.)

Original Eye and ear cylinders (the small one with the spring inside), tubing, and other air parts can be obtained from Clippard
www.clippard.com (http://www.clippard.com)

Pancake cylinders and flow control valves - these are made by Fabco air www.fabco-air.com. (http://www.fabco-air.com.) Probably have to find a distributor. The flow controls are part number FC-32.

Mac Valves and spools - good question. Mac Valves, Inc. is still in business, so I guess you could find a reseller online. Obviously these parts are still produced since CEC needs them and they are used in other applications.
www.macvalves.com (http://www.macvalves.com)

All (or mostly all) grey-box computer parts, triacs and other lighting board parts can be obtained at an electronics parts store or radio shack.

RodHouTx

01-11-2006, 04:38 PM

Weren't the other 2 on the props bank used for Looney Birds hands? Raising them and moving them to the right? They wouldn't be on the bank unless they were used for something.

Billy Bob Brockali

01-12-2006, 01:57 PM

Hey,

MSOFW - What type of tubing do you order from McMaster for the standard air lines that run from each MAC valve? They have quite a selection over there.

Thanks to all who have already posted some info, exact part numbers and suppliers, that is just what we all need to share, so that it is as easy as possible to locate this stuff when it is needed.

Let keep it going!

menutia

01-12-2006, 02:00 PM

I thought LB's hands just went up and down. Only one valve.

~M

lildook

01-12-2006, 03:44 PM

YES i would LOVE a part number link to air tubing at mcmaster for both the thicker lines and specially those small hair size lines!!! :) those can be a pain to put on their barbs anyone agree?? Busted my fingers up some !!

yorkmiss

01-12-2006, 08:12 PM

Just my two cents worth - but I suggest that if you have a pneumatic cylinder that has failed, get it re-built.
We have a local place here in York PA that does it VERY low cost - and they replace all the rubber stiff with better teflon seals. So you guys might want to check in you area for pneumatic/hydraulic repair shops.
So, sometime my rebuilts will last longer than "new" ones. The original ones I had would always fail at the seals... which I think is from the oil sitting on them. Teflon O rings are not affected by oil.

lildook

01-12-2006, 08:35 PM

Speaking of looney hand, I noticed it did have a turn cylinder on mine. To mention as well I have a special sun mech that also has a turning mechanism!! Wonder if this was a proto that never was launched. Be cool to see the sun turn his head :)

captslappy

01-12-2006, 11:44 PM

Looneys hands worked on a catch. The catch was controlled by the air cylinder and it drug the hands upward with his head. It used #7 on the valve bank. Up and down are the same movement on the bank. These are 3 way valves. #3 was never used on the prop bank but was there for expansion.

looneybird78

01-13-2006, 10:30 AM

So does anyone know exactly which cylinder it is for the character eyes on www.clippard.com? There are a LOT to choose from. I need several... it seems that must be one of the first cylinders to go out!?

Thanks to everyone for all the info so far... this has been great:D ! It couldn't have come at a better time for me as I've finally gotten my show running!:eek !! And now I can see what movements I've got to work on.:|

Just4all

01-13-2006, 05:07 PM

Well one from the 8 bank prop block was used for Looney's arm.It just had a lil locking device that slid into a notch..I think there was 8 on that bank? but last never used?

Manimatronic

01-13-2006, 05:33 PM

Does anybody have a preference for cylinders (Clippard vs. Bimba vs. Speedair, etc)? Is one brand much more reliable than the others, or are they all pretty much the same? I've found the small line of Clippard brass cylinders don't last too long, and I'm curious to know about other peoples' experiences.

Just4all

01-13-2006, 05:49 PM

Fabco's where some Sweet Cylanders verry durable..Hey lil dook get back to me plz wanna chat some on the controller stuff!

pizzacam

01-13-2006, 07:59 PM

Hey...so does anyone know where to get the floodlight fixtures with the pulgs at the end? or does anyone have 2 spares?

menutia

01-13-2006, 11:22 PM

Hardware store. ANY HARDWARE STORE. They are garden flood lights. Only a few bucks at Homie Depot, ACE, True Value, Lowes....

~M They sell the colored floodlights too!

pizzacam

01-14-2006, 02:13 PM

garden floods...ok :) thanks

Just4all

01-15-2006, 10:12 PM

Oh, Btw Beth thankyou for thanking me on the pic's:) I will get you more need to redo the airline Grr oh joy:lol

captslappy

01-18-2006, 05:21 PM

Well one from the 8 bank prop block was used for Looney's arm.It just had a lil locking device that slid into a notch..I think there was 8 on that bank? but last never used?

I dont have the info in front of me but I know 3 was never used at all and I think the other one that is blocked off is 6. I am pretty sure that was used on Looney's hands.

menutia

01-18-2006, 06:25 PM

LB's hands are Props valve bank #6.

~M

RodHouTx

01-24-2006, 01:24 AM

Pizzacam is looking for FIXTURES, not the lights. I am looking for fixtures too. I have been to Home Depot, hardware stores, etc, but they don't have something you can just put on the floor safely that will accept (and be rated for) a 100 Watt flood light.

The "recommended" fixture, and the one that is used on most stages (Floor and Ceiling, and Live Lights) is the one sold by SLD-Lighting. Look for a "Par 38 Can", part #3011. If you are going to put it on the floor, you may need the base, part #9102. This will cost $36.00 for both parts. You can also do an internet search for "Par 38 Can".

And to relate this to the 'Looney Bird' thread---looney bird lives in a can (barrel).

RodHouTx

01-24-2006, 01:32 AM

For the Clippard cylinder for Eyes and Ears,
Clippard Minimatic Cylinders
3/8" Bore Brass Cylinder
Single Acting, Spring Return
ummm.. . umm.. too many choices!!!!
I will look on one of my cylinder packages and see which one it is.

Also, the reason I recommended "Cylinders and Valves" for all the other cylinders is because they provided the original cylinders for the show and some of us still order from them and they know what cylinders you will need. You don't have to wonder if some other cylinder will fit. I have a sheet that lists the cylinder to order for each movement. Let me know if you need it. I know that some movements used the brass or Chicago cylinders (the manual lists both cylinders for many movements). I don't have any info on the Chicago cylinders.

looneybird78

01-24-2006, 12:35 PM

Yes I would love to see that List... I've got more leaks than the titanic on my show right now... Its definitely gonna take a lot more work! If you don't mind email me that info off the board at damon.breland@gmail.com I know on 3 of my characters already I'm going to have to have the eye cylinders because all they do is leak...

THANKS

MoonRockers

01-26-2006, 01:55 AM

Hey guys I Know I have a few fixtures for the 100w floods Email Me @ i.nofearxw6@verizon.net if any one is Interested or any other Parts for the Rock-afire show Thanks

YoungCaliHottie

01-26-2006, 04:18 PM

can you post that list somewhere? that would be great!

Billy Bob Brockali

01-26-2006, 04:39 PM

First off, thanks to everyone for contributing to this thread, lots of good stuff in here already.

Next, I have another question for everyone. I have a used Dook which I am just beginning to actually run. Now that he is moving, I haved noticed that his eyelids do not show very much, beacuse his old mask droops a little bit. I know that the real solution is a new mask, but its it safe to buy a little extra time by putting new snaps in and making the mask fit his eyes tight again, or would I be comprimising the structure of the mask?

looneybird78

01-26-2006, 04:48 PM

Shouldn't be a bad thing to redo the snaps... although I would suggest you re-enforce the old latex with something. I have used some thin leather straps in my Fatz mask. Just had to use a really big needle and quadrupled the thread. He holds very nicely... and now I don't have to worry about the "Fragile" latex around the eye giving any more.

On a side note... I seem to remember Mr. Fechter posting some pictures a while back showing how to re-enforce and old mask using mesh and liquid latex... ??? Does anyone still have a Link to these pictures?

circuspizzafan

01-27-2006, 12:10 AM

mesmerizer.com/mask/ (http://mesmerizer.com/mask/)

djsmurf

05-09-2006, 07:58 AM

I don't know if anyone needs this or not but i went to clippard.com and in the search box i typed the old numbers on the clear tubbing (both sizes) and some new numbers came up,

urh1-0804-clt-050
urh1-0402-clt-050

This is the same size tubbing from the same company that comes with the characters. I have used some, and it works great!

I hope this helps someone :D

lildook

06-02-2006, 01:11 PM

Hey something small to add here is if you are in need of a very very very cheap A$# solution to small air mufflers, I found that those small green stone bubblers that go in the fish tanks you can get 2 for 99 cents and they work great for muffling the exhaust from a mac valve!!!!

:)

Just4all

06-04-2006, 05:35 PM

Ty for the tubeing Info that does help Immensely i need to redo some I need to get some of those couplers they used when they spliced rolfe for the liberty show those work Great.
Lol yea those Airstones make great difusers I have boxes of them from years of fishtanks^^

lildook

09-13-2006, 10:08 AM

Does anyone know what the manufacturer and part number is for the connectors that mate to the mac valve connector? I thought I remember someone finding this, but not quite sure...

Any help would be appreciated...

lildook

09-13-2006, 02:33 PM

Eh Yieh,,, I think I found her...

I will have to order one and verify it mates properly but heres the part numbers::: All found on www.newark.com

79K4928 (http://www.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/newark/en_US/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp;jsessionid=DQRCF23TO2ZXCCXDUY2SFGAK 2OTCIIV1?SKU=79K4928&N=0) - Male 24P (this is side coming from greybox)
79K4896 (http://www.newark.com/NewarkWebCommerce/newark/en_US/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp;jsessionid=DQRCF23TO2ZXCCXDUY2SFGAK 2OTCIIV1?SKU=79K4896&N=0) - Female 24P ( side goin to mac valves)

I'm only assuming as well that all the character cables are 24pin?

captslappy

12-18-2006, 01:47 AM

Gabe had asked about the tubing from clippard (See above). Here it is again:

I don't know if anyone needs this or not but i went to clippard.com and in the search box i typed the old numbers on the clear tubbing (both sizes) and some new numbers came up,

urh1-0804-clt-050
urh1-0402-clt-050

This is the same size tubbing from the same company that comes with the characters. I have used some, and it works great!

chuckrules

09-01-2008, 10:52 AM

Do any of you guys recall what snapper said he used on his rae explosion characters to prevent airleaks? and it makes there air cylinder's so quiet that you don't even hear them moving at all!

lildook

09-05-2008, 04:46 PM

I'm not sure he said anything for making air cylinders quieter? They're already pretty quiet naturally.

You might be refering to the Looney, Moon, Sun and Spider mechs which do start to leak over time. I think an idea was once derived to put spray foam on it to help seal the leaks on the top and bottom of the slide cylinder.

HOWEVER, do not do this!

It has recently been adviced that this spray foam was only a quick fix and would go bad again soon. And when it does, you are forced to purchase the repair kit anyhow for $75 or so. Chris Thrash has the part numbers. And if you are attempting to rebuild one that you did happen to spray foam, you will go through hell trying to clean off the foam!

So FOAM = :-&

RAFE CEC Guy

10-08-2008, 05:05 PM

Mr Munch88

10-10-2008, 10:41 AM

Alright. Since I finally found a shipping company and am eagerly awaiting my show to be shipped, I now have quite a few questions. Two of them have to do with this topic.

Exactly which air compressor model do you recommend for running the show? Also, is an air dryer necessary for running a show, is it recommended? If so for either, what model do you recommend?

I am not overly familiar with the running of an RAE, but I believe to keep things dry & running smooth, you do need a dryer. Also Aaron is the man to ask directly, and he can supply you with most parts, and answers. Just my 2 cents!

Shiney Happy Jenn

10-11-2008, 07:06 PM

A dryer is a must...if you take the cheap way out, in the end you may find you will have to spend out more to replace/repair your robots and their parts!

My advice is to definately invest in one. I'm sure one of the guys here who own a show can point you towards a decent model compressor and dryer.

Good luck, and ENJOY your show!!

captslappy

10-14-2008, 08:51 PM

I use one from http://www.buydryair.com/ The size you need is dependent on the size of your compressor. Let me tell you now that an upright single 80 gallon tank compressor just isn't enough for the Rock-afire. It does fine for Billy Bob and Looney Bird alone but you'd be hard pressed to run center stage on that if the props are all going with 4 bots. It's perfect for the PTT show cuz they use far less air. Unfortunately, most of us can't afford an $8000.00 industrial compressor like they do in restaurants. I'm assuming you are doing a home install. If you don't have the dough for the big compressor at least get an 80 gallon tank compressor and then get some auxillary tanks. That is what most of us have had to do. I ende dup taking down most of my RAE in favor of the balcony and Dolli mostly do to space but also because the Rock-afire uses more air then I really had. I got by ok but I really was running the compressor hard. Absolutely do get an air dryer. You will trash your vales if you do not.

Shiney Happy Jenn

10-15-2008, 03:19 PM

Wise words from the Mighty Captain.

I was so hoping he would come by and post that!

;;)

RAFE CEC Guy

10-16-2008, 07:51 PM

If you don't have the dough for the big compressor at least get an 80 gallon tank compressor and then get some auxillary tanks.

Which auxillary tank model/size do you prefer, and how many should I get?

lildook

10-16-2008, 09:00 PM

I suggest 2 60 - 80 gallon compressors. Pay attention to CFM rating on the compressor. If you get two compressors that will put out around 12 CFM you'll be running pretty good. I have 2 compressors and total just shy of 25 CFM and I can play shows fully through without any problems, except for long ones :)

I plan to get one more 80 Gal 12 CFM compressor and I'll be pretty set.

RAFE CEC Guy

10-20-2008, 08:32 PM

So do you reccommend 3 80 gallon air compressors to run the show? If so, should I hook up one to Stage Left (Billy), and the other 2 splitting Center Stage and Stage Right, or should I manifold all 3 compressors into one line, splitting again to all characters? If I run the compressors seperately, would I need 3 dryers, or one dryer that would split the line as mentioned above?

lildook

10-21-2008, 07:01 AM

If you get an air dryer, I'd recommend hooking them all up together, then you don't have to worry about 3 air dryers! yikes. Right now I have 2 hooked together and run fine. I don't have a dryer yet, :( But I need one, and the few that come visit can attest how often I cuss when cleaning a valve out cause its bone dry with a little moisture and how badly I need a dryer :) haha...

Mappy

02-05-2009, 01:08 PM

andy91

11-19-2010, 08:35 PM

is their a text or series of movies that are used to train people with these robotics systems. how does one get a start at learning the ropes?

PaulKTF

11-19-2010, 08:48 PM

is their a text or series of movies that are used to train people with these robotics systems. how does one get a start at learning the ropes?

(sigh...)

What do you want to learn? All of the official programing is all done by Aaron Fechter and people approved by him, and he's not about to tell just anyone how to program a show.

If you mean how to repair a show, that's again not something people are going to be very likely to share because A). Most people don't know, and B). Those who do know are probably trying to make some income doing it and aren't about to help someone else who could take away their source of income.

Go to college and start with a basic engineering class if you're really serious about learning the ins and outs of animatronics. Forget the RAE, but there are plenty of more recent existing animatronic shows and companies that produce them who might be willing to hire you if you have an education to show for yourself.

There is no simple way to learn by watching a training video (of which none exist). Any store techs from the Showbiz days would have been trained in person by (I'm guessing) people at Creative who had years of education and on-site experience.

captslappy

11-19-2010, 10:50 PM

If you know absolutely nothing, the animatronics experimenter's kit is worth looking into. The other option that I already talked to you about is getting a single character and going from there but again that is not a cheap venture.

andy91

11-20-2010, 06:32 AM

thanks capt I really like the idea of starting with 1, how do I know the names of the parts? after I get 1 do I just try to describe them to people or once I get 1 can I request a diagram?

PaulKTF

11-20-2010, 06:53 AM

thanks capt I really like the idea of starting with 1, how do I know the names of the parts? after I get 1 do I just try to describe them to people or once I get 1 can I request a diagram?

I think you need to start with something very simple and (relativly) cheap like Aaron's Experimenter's Kit:

http://www.aaronskit.com/

It looks like fun and you'd get to learn the very basics. You have to crawl before you can walk as they say.

You can even watch the "How to put it together" DVD with your son- he might get a kick out of the moving gargoyle head. Plus; once you have it put together you can program it to sing your son's favorite song and he'll get a laugh out of it. Or you could record your own voice to make it say his name.

I've never ordered it but others here have and they seem to like it.

If you buy the kit, and can't put it together or your lose interest; then you're at least only out a few hundred bucks instead of the thousands a single Rock-Afire character woud've cost you.

andy91

11-20-2010, 07:48 PM

thanks pual yeah I am hoping to get the kit after we close in march, and I have also obviously been reading all these technical post as-well.

PaulKTF

11-21-2010, 08:05 AM

Andy,

Here's an idea- buy the kit next year, but store it away unassembled 'till your son is a little older (like 9 or 10 years old) and then you two could work on it together as a fun little father/son project.

andy91

02-04-2011, 03:05 AM

I hate that this was the last conversation on this, so I am interisted could the moonrakers be converted into an rae?

PaulKTF

02-04-2011, 07:23 AM

I hate that this was the last conversation on this, so I am interisted could the moonrakers be converted into an rae?

Sure. The Moonrockers were simply Rock-Afire Explosion characters but with different costumes and different masks on them, and new props and backgrounds.

The idea was that you could buy the Moonrockers "kit" to change out your Rock-Afire show into the Moonrockers and thus have two different shows at a lower price.

andy91

02-04-2011, 09:05 AM

I thought soo, thanks, btw I think a thread where you guy in the know tell us learners what your backround is and how you got so much info lol but anyway that would kind of allow the rae to have what the ptt fans loved and miss, the variety i mean it wouldn't be much variety but some?

captslappy

02-04-2011, 04:20 PM

Mostly from just reading stuff on here and exchanging what we know. A lot of it is just from hands on. If you go through all the old posts on here and spend time you can pick most of it up yourself.

andy91

02-04-2011, 10:17 PM

im trying, thats for sure

captslappy

03-16-2011, 09:49 PM

Oops. I posted this in the wrong thread. Disregard.

rodhoutx

07-15-2011, 09:45 PM

Did any one ever get the sheet that is talked about here? If so could you e-mail it to me Mappy1@peoplepc.com. Thanks :D

Wow, I hope you got the sheet by now :-)
I have the sheet for both the Cylinders and Valves and I could look at our Clippards and tell you the part number. But it is the single acting, spring return.

But if you order from Cylinders and Valves it's the same folks that have been there since the RockAfire days, so they can also check the parts by movement. CEC has also started using them again for 3-stages since we showed the cost effectiveness. No more one-use stainless steel cylinders.