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yorkmiss
02-22-2006, 07:24 PM
I posted this is another thread - but this is where it should have been...

I just made a new Rolfe mask - actually two.
Here's quick "do it yourself" instructions. Remember - You are taking a great risk when you do this - you could end up with a bad mold and no mask at all.
I suggest you try this on a halloween mask to practice first!

Theroy: In order to make a mold - you need what is called a "Plug" this is a solid cast of an object. Original showbiz plugs are hard to find, and I can't find anyone selling molds either - so here's how I turned a mask into a plug - and then made a mold from it....

Now, these are not all from the same robot, but you will get the point... Here's an original Dook mask:
Mask1 (http://www.sinistershadows.com/images/showbiz/mask1.jpg)
1) I took the hair carefully off the mask with the mask STILL ON the robot.
Mask2 (http://www.sinistershadows.com/images/showbiz/mask2.jpg)

2) Now, you are probably dealing with an old-melted mask... so the eyes, mouth, and nose may not be where they are supposed to be. So, I take the mask off of the snaps - and tape the mask onto the skull so that the face is correctly aligned again. If you mask is not droopy - this may not be necessary... but remember, you want it to be as perfect as possible so the finished product will fit like a new one...
Mask3 (http://www.sinistershadows.com/images/showbiz/mask3.jpg)


3a) I used plaster of paris and drywall tape to make a very basic mould of the exact position the mask was in while on the robot. (The masks are so flimsy at this point - if you take the mask off, you will end up with a distrorted "master")
Mask4 (http://www.sinistershadows.com/images/showbiz/mask4.jpg)

3b) Put the plaster on first to save the basic shape of the face.. then add the drywall tape...
Mask5 (http://www.sinistershadows.com/images/showbiz/mask5.jpg)

3c) Then add another coat of plaster to make a firm brace for the mask to sit in. Remember - this is NOT a mold, just a bace to hold the mask so you can fill it with plaster without distorting... so it doesnt have to be perfect...
Mask6 (http://www.sinistershadows.com/images/showbiz/mask6.jpg)


4) I then removed the plaster "brace" and mask from the robot.
Mask7 (http://www.sinistershadows.com/images/showbiz/mask7.jpg)


4) Here's the tough part - you need to re-assemble the eye sockets into solid spheres. I do my best to match up the original rubber parts where they were cut and snaps were installed (see the pic) then cover any missing parts with tape.(You may have to do something creative with the eye sockets - you cant just close them off, they need to remain con-cave sockets for the mould...I have used Christmas balls as the seem to be the perfrct size)
Mask8 (http://www.sinistershadows.com/images/showbiz/mask8.jpg)


**** More picture to come ****

Also, when filling the mask with plaster, you can't add too much plaster at once or the pressure will cause the mask to swell or distort.)



5) After the mask was filled with a solid plaster, I tool the EXTERIOR plaster shell off, and cleaned the mask - you should have a PERFECT SOLID Rolfe at this point - this is your PLUG. If it is NOT perfect (and your first one will not be) start over.
6) With your perfect mask, buy some silicone mold making material off of Ebay - use the thick brush on type.. and coat the old mask with about 1/2 gallon of silicone and let it cure. (No need for a release agent as silicone will not stick to ANYTHING)
7) Again, use some plaster and make an external shell for the exterior of the silicone mold. Silicone is very flimsy and wont stand up on it's own.
After the shell (and it needs to be at least 1" think of plaster) is dry - pull off the shell from the silicone, and pull the silicone off of the plug (mask)
You now have 1 ruined Rolfe mask! But a silicone mold that will out live you! (100 years or so)
http://www.sinistershadows.com/mold.jpg
9)Put the silicone mold inside the plaster shell to hold it's shape, and your ready to cast a mask. I use brush on latex myself - it's easy to work with and wont stick to anything... and it's easy to paint. I'll see if I can't get a few pictures of the masks I made, but you would never be able to tell them apart from an original.
I also re-use the hair from the original mask as long as it is in good condition.
I have also found that after making the mask, but before you remove it from the mold, if you soak fiberglass cloth in whatever you are using to makt the mask, and then place that inside the flat parts of the mask (mouth, nose) it will hold it's shape a little better when you pull it out of the mold.

I make the mold from silicone because the mask has many large areas that need to be pulled through smaller areas. For example - the eye sockets are spheres about the size of Christmas balls... but the holes for the eyes are somewhat smaller. When you cast the mold - you will need to pull the mask off of a mold with two big "balls" on it. If your mold was made of plaster alone - you would stress the new mask by having to pull it over the eye socket "balls". I find it easier to have a mold and mask that both "give" a little when pulling them apart. Plus...
1) Silicone last FOREVER!
2) Silicone can be heated to speed up mask cure time...
3) Nothing sticks to silicone - so you wont need to use a release agent!

Once the mask is pulled from the mold - you do have to cut the back of the eye sockets open to fit over the eyes and use the excess rubber to install snaps that hold the mask to the bridge of the nose area of the skull.
http://www.sinistershadows.com/mask.jpg
At least that's the way I did that.

Here it is - my first painted mask. It's the first thing we ever air-brushed, so don't laugh....
http://www.sinistershadows.com/images/showbiz/rolfedwolfe.jpg

I only did Rolfe and Dook so far - I am working on a Fatz and Looney Bird... but the silicone cost about $100 for each mask, so I can't do them all at once. I hope to have a mold for every character eventually... Right now Beach Bear and Billy Bob are in such good condition I am going to leave them alone until I NEED to replace the masks.

captslappy
02-22-2006, 07:54 PM
I need to do this with my CEC 3 stage characters so they can get new masks.

pizzacam
02-22-2006, 08:20 PM
Damn, That's really good! I outta send you my Pasqually one cause it's got a small tear in the corner of the mouth...How do plan to get em painted..are you getting an airbrush kit too? :D

Just4all
02-23-2006, 03:40 AM
Yea Beth that is Awesome!!! I want one i have the snap tools n all that, since u have done all the molds i just pay u to make me one the copy is made from mold it right? I shure wish i had saved my old mitzi face it was an older version from what most stores had:\

yorkmiss
02-23-2006, 07:52 AM
To answer a few of the questions I am getting...

How do I paint them if nothing sticks to silicone?

a: Nothing sticks to silicone - but the masks are not silicone, only the mold is. The masks are made of latex rubber... which lots of stuff sticks to... but that is where I am at now. We have an airbrush system and are testing to see the best way to paint these suckers.

Would I sell them / how much?

a: The molds cost a lot to make, but once they are done - it's only about $50.00 plus...

I CANT SELL COPIES. I can fix masks you already own - but to mass produce masks would violate copyright rules. So - If you want a replacement mask - you would have to send me the old one to "repair" or "replace". But I cant make a new mask. It's the same as duplicating show tapes... Aaron would not like that either.
1) I can't / won't make a mold from a mask that is in "new" condition. I can't bring myself to ruin a mask until it is near death! So for now I can only help out with Dook and Rolfe masks. (If anyone has any old trached masks - I might be interested in buying them by the way...)
2) Since this is not a business of mine - the masks are not the focus of my time and work.

I'll get Rolfe painted up - and post the pics on the board here and let you guys decide if they are acceptable replacements or not.

captslappy
02-23-2006, 10:16 AM
Just a note... you must use a latex based paint with your airbrush. I didn't know if you were aware of this or not.

RodHouTx
02-23-2006, 05:35 PM
That is awesome!! Maybe you could do some cosmetic work on my moon and get $$$$$$ for it!!!

Just4all
02-23-2006, 10:05 PM
hehe..poor Beth now everyone gonna want your handy work:)
I thought they used Acrylic for the paint? Latex on latex didnt work well in my stuff in the past it seems to form a second skin over the rubber that peels..but im not an artist so dont know too much in paint n such:\

pizzacam
02-24-2006, 08:55 AM
Well painting on latex even WITH latex paint doesn't look right anyway and was always airbrushed. I think Beth has the right idea here :D

TreyTX
02-25-2006, 01:18 PM
Hey yorkmiss, great job on the mask...it will be great to see your final mask. So my question to you is (I have been following your posts) what are you going to do with your show once you get the show completed?

yorkmiss
02-26-2006, 03:39 PM
Our intentions are not set in stone - but like you can read over and over again in many threads, the Rock Afire is not by its self enough of a draw to support a business.
We have an amusement ride idea we are putting in place... and with the help of a few friends from Disney - we came up with an idea to make the 45 min wait in line to be PART of our entertainment.
Imagine how many times you have gone to an amusement park and wasted 30 minutes in line for a 4 minute ride... Now imagine the 30 minute wait having shows and games while you are waiting... it would make the wait a lot more fun, and put people in the spirit for the ride.
Disney has used this "pre-show" idea for years - but not to the extent we will do it.
Yes - we are aware that they are reading this and so are 100 other people. Our idea will be copied eventually anyway - but where we are located, it should not hurt us at all.

TreyTX
02-27-2006, 10:00 AM
sounds like a great idea! Don't worry about anyone coping you right now...so is your ride a traveling ride like in fairs?
And plus, when people walk by your ride seeing the show in operation will be a 'people stopper.' So am in the process of something similar but not for a ride. Are you planning on installing the show outside under a cover? If so, even if it is closed at night, will the outside elements harm the show's cosmetics or the innner construction. I would be using Cyberamics (PTT).

chuckrules
01-14-2007, 09:33 PM
Hey beth check your e-mail.:D